Talk:Vertical Drum Hemp Harvester
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In diesem Satz wurden die Artikulationsachsen entsprechend den anderen beobachteten Achsen hinzugefügt.
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Part number 1.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 15:13, 29 June 2023 (CEST)
Subassembly 1.1
Parts 1.1.7 (roof and floor) are welded off-center to the wall of part 1.1.9 (cylinder). This offset reduces the distance that separate both drums by a total (considering both sides) of around about 50mm.
Here it is worth asking the following question:
Is this a design characteristic or is it a correction carried out during the build after somebody considered that the drums were too far apart?
Maybe the angle between the arm that joins part 1.1.9 (cylinder) and parts 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 (plates) worked out to be too large and the easiest way out was to offset 1.1.9
This offset correction might have needed a reduction in length of 1.1.7 which led to the drums being closer to plates 1.1.1 and 1.1.2, resulting in the drums making contact with these parts and in the necessity of grinding/cutting out the corners where all these components meet.
Update on "Offset" - 04 July 2023
Nach Besprechung mit Herrn Nowotny, Vorstand der Hanffabrik und Mitentwickler der Maschine, wurde festgestellt, dass die im vorherigen Abschnitt erwähnten Vermutungen damals tatsächlich der Fall waren. Er meinte dazu, dass der Abstand zwischen beide Trommeln noch geringer sein dürfte, da beim Mähen die Hanfstängel in eine ziemlich dünne Schicht zwischen die Trommeln vorbei gezogen werden.
Folgen
Als Folge der vorherigen Anmerkungen kann man einige Sachen in den Zeichnungen schon ändern, damit die Fertigungsverfahren einigermaßen vereinfacht werden kann.
- Teil 1.1.7 (Dach und Boden des Arms) darf symetrisch gestaltet werden, da kein Versatz mit dem Cylinder 1.1.9 nötig ist. Anstelle muss man irgenwo anders die Größe eines Winkels ändern.
- Teil 1.1.1 und 1.1.2: Hier muss denn die Winkel der nach vorne ausgerichteten Laschen geändert werden, um den jetzt nicht mehr vorhanden Versatz zwischen 1.1.7 und 1.1.9 auszugleichen. Dazu sollte auch die Breite des Teils 1.1.1 vergrößert, damit 1.1.7 symetrish bleibt. Diese Änderungen sind dank CAD-Software unkompliziert relisierbar.
- Teil 1.1.5 wird auch von diese Änderungen betroffen.
The angle formed between the front wall of the column (plate 1.1.4) and arm (plates 1.1.7 - roof and floor) is lager than 90 degrees. This creates a drop angle towards the front of the machine with a slope gradient of around about 5%. Viewed from either side the arm should look like a parallelogram which keeps the cylinder 1.1.9 in the center of the drum parallel to plate 1.1.4 (front of the column)
It is worth mentioning that the box (arm) formed by plates 1.1.7 and 1.1.8 is horizontally and vertically tapered towards the center of the drum (forward), which means that the angle measured between column and arm is the sum of two angles, namely the drop and the taper angles.
Part number 1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2023 (CEST)
Zwei Punkte sind bei dieser Baugruppe hervorzuheben, die für künftige Konstruktionen von Bedeutung sind.
- Die Teile 1.1.1 und 1.1.2 kollidieren mit der sich drehenden Trommel. Im Moment gibt es keine Hinweise darauf, warum dies der Fall sein könnte. Mögliche Ursachen könnten z. B. in folgenden Bereichen liegen:
- -Design: Die Arme sind wahrscheinlich zu kurz und müssen um etwa 20 bis 30 mm verlängert werden, um den gewünschten Abstand zwischen Trommel und Rahmenplatten zu erreichen.
- -Design/Bedienung: Die Flexibilität einiger der verwendeten Materialien wurde unterschätzt und die Belastung der Maschine führte dazu, dass sich Teile verbiegen und berühren.
- -Konstruktion: Bei der Konstruktion der Maschine wurde ein Fehler gemacht, der dazu führte, dass die Trommeln näher als berechnet an den Hauptrahmenplatten lagen. Dies ist jedoch unwahrscheinlich, da beide verfügbaren Maschinen das gleiche Problem bei den betrachteten Teilen aufweisen.
- -Konstruktion: Eine Änderung/Korrektur wurde während der Konstruktion eingefuhrt.
- -Dieser Punkt ist mit hoher wahrscheinlichkeit der Grund dieses Anliegen. Siehe'#Offset
- Das Teil 1.1.1 (innere Seitenwand der Säule) kollidiert mit dem Verbindungsarm der Unterbaugruppe 1.2, wenn die Trommeln angehoben werden. Dies scheint die Funktion oder den Betrieb der Maschine nicht beeinträchtigt zu haben, aber es hat mit Sicherheit zu einer gewissen Belastung der Struktur geführt, bevor sich die Teile unter den Betätigungskräften verformten. Es sollten einige Änderungen an der Konstruktion vorgenommen werden, damit dies nicht mehr vorkommt.
-- Hanffaser (talk) 22:22, 29 June 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.1.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2023 (CEST)
Erste Abmaßprüfung
Teil 1.1.1 und 1.1.2 sind fast identisch, da es nur die Breite und der Biegungswinkel sich ändert. Das heißt, dass beim CAD-Konstruktion darf man beide Platten aufeinander legen, um die position aller Löcher und Zuchnitte zu überprüfen.
Folgendes Bild stellt nur eine Mögliche Lösung dar, um die Kollision mit dem oberen Lenker (1.2) zu vermeiden, aber der Grund dieses Problems könnte eigentlich die Platte 1.2.12 sein, also hier müsste keine Änderung vorgenommen werden.
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Erste Abmaßprüfung
Teil 1.1.1 und 1.1.2 sind fast identisch, da es nur die Breite und der Biegungswinkel sich ändert. Das heißt, dass beim CAD-Konstruktion darf man beide Platten aufeinander legen, um die position aller Löcher und Zuchnitte zu überprüfen.
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Erste Abmaßprüfung
Durchgangsbohrungen: 2x17mm
Anmerkung zum künftigen Aufbau: Das Befestigungssystem mit den zwei M16 Gewindestangen ist nicht ideal, da es die Montage und Demontage der Baugruppen schwierig macht.Hier könnte etwas anders gestaltet werden, z.B., Querbolzen.
Part number 1.1.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:52, 30 June 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkung zum künftigen Aufbau: Das Befestigungssystem mit dem zwei M16 Gewindestangen ist nicht ideal, da es die Montage und Demontage der Baugruppen schwierig macht. Hier könnte etwas anders gestaltet werden, z.B., Querbolzen.
Part number 1.1.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:54, 30 June 2023 (CEST)
Wichtig!
siehe zuerst Text #Offset beim Teil/Unterbaugruppe 1.1
Dieses Teil bleibt Symetrisch wie in der Zeichnung von OHO v0.01 Die Länge könnte geändert werden.
Part number 1.1.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:33, 30 June 2023 (CEST)
Wichtig!
siehe zuerst Text #Drop Angle beim Teil/Unterbaugruppe 1.1
Part number 1.1.14 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:45, 30 June 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkung:
Abstand Bohrung-Obere Kante 30mm
Part number 1.2.11 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:52, 30 June 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:15, 3 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:17, 3 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.12 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:01, 4 July 2023 (CEST)
Diese Platte ist vielleicht ein nachträglicher Einfall oder wurde so gedacht, damit weniger Aufwand und Material für die Konstruktion eingesetzt werden konnte.
Die Platte stellt eine starke Oberfläche zur Verfügung, worauf die Befestigungsplatte des hydraulischen Zylinders geschweißt werden kann. Damit wird eine mögliche Verformung der Platte 1.2.3 an dem oberen Lenker vermieden.
Diese Platte ist aber mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit der Gründ für die Kollisionsstelle zwischen dem oberen Lenker mit Platte 1.1.1 und deren Verformung.
Part number 1.2.3 -- Hanffaser (talk) 07:31, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.4 -- Hanffaser (talk) 07:32, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.5 -- Hanffaser (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 07:34, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkungen
- Bohrungsmitte bis zur oberen Kante ist 50mm statt 69
- Einige Abmaße zwischen gefaltetem und entfaltetem Modell könnten sich ändern.
Achtung!
- Dieses Teil muss in Bezug auf Teil 1.2.3 betrachtet werden!
- Es gibt auch weitere reviews dieses Teils. Siehe unten ↓
Part number 1.2.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
- Bei der Anwendung von zwei Schrauben / Gewindestifte auf Welle-Naben-Verbindungen muss den Winkelversatz zwischen den Schrauben kleiner als einen bestimten Wert bleiben. Ist dieser Wert 90°? Grund dafür ist, dass bei der Auflöckerung einer der Schrauben muss die noch feste Schraube in der Lage sein, die Welle fest gegen die Nabe halten zu können.
Part number 1.2.10 -- Hanffaser (talk) 16:47, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2.13 -- Hanffaser (talk) 16:49, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.3 -- Hanffaser (talk) 17:12, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 17:27, 5 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.1.11 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:12, 6 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.1.10 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:29, 6 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.1.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:32, 6 July 2023 (CEST)
Die Öffnung erlaubt die Montage des hydraulischen Motors.
Part number 1.1.16 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2023 (CEST)
Stahl Laufrolle
Part number 1.1.12 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:12, 11 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkungen (Rundplatte):
- Die Dicke der noch nicht gezeichneten Rundplatte musst untersucht werden, da 4mm nicht stark genug zu sein scheinen. Die eingebaute Platte hat einige von Nutzung erzeugte Biegungen und zwei Stützen wurden irgendwann hinzugefügt.
- Würden 6mm ausreichend sein?
- In welche Richtung (nach oben/unten) sollte die Platte versetzt werden, um die extra 2mm ausgleichen zu können?
- Muss die Platte eigentlich eine massive Platte sein?
- Muss die Platte unbedingt zu 1.1.9 (Zylinder) angeschweißt sein?
- Diese Rundplatte erfüllt 3 Funktionen:
- Befestigungsstelle der Kurvenbahnplatte ⇒ Variierende Seitenlasten
- Befestigungsstelle des hydraulischen Motors, der das Karusell dreht ⇒Senkrechte Schwingungen (verringert mittels
- Befestigungsstelle der Kettenspanner ⇒ Senkrechte Schwingungen
Part number 1.1.13 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:26, 11 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:39, 12 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkungen:
- Die von der Zeichnung entfernte Maße können derzeit nicht gemessen werden (waagerecht 1830) oder sind keine gute Bezugmaße (senkrechte Teilmesunngen gehören zur Verkleidung).
- Die Maße 880 (links) und 870 (rechts) sollten eigentlich gleich sein. Sie müssen später gegen andere besser definierte Bezugsteile überprüft werden.
- Da es einen vertikalen Versatz zwischen beide Einzugstrommeln gibt, sind einige Teile der linken Trommel nicht gleich als die der rechten. Siehe #Vertikalversatz unten ↓
Einen Vertikalversatz kann zwischen einigen Bauteilen der beiden Einzugstrommeln beobachtet werden. In Besprechung mit R. Nowotny wurde erklärt, dass dieser Versatz vermeidet den Zusammenstoß der Zinken und der Messerklinge der Mähscheibe mit den selben Bauteilen der gegenüberstehenden Trommel.
Es ist wichtig hier die folgende Frage zu stellen: Ist diese die beste mögliche Lösung?
- Eine Nachteil davon ist, dass einige Bauteile, die dieselbe Funktion erfüllen, nicht gleich gebaut sind und damit einen größeren Fertigunsaufwand und Einstellungsaufwand gibt.
Ich bin der Meinung, dass mit einer genaue Positionierung der Zinken (Kurvenbahn) man ohne Versatz hier die Kollision der Zinken gegeneinander vermeiden kann.
Part number 1.1.15 -- Hanffaser (talk) 11:17, 13 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.1.16 -- Hanffaser (talk) 15:01, 13 July 2023 (CEST)
- Außere gefertigte (gekaufte?) Stahlgehäuse/Stahlrolle (d155 d2?; D78; B23)
- Kugellager DIN 625-6006-2RS (d30xD55xB13)
- Sicherungsringe für 30 mm Welle (DIN 471 - 30x1,5) und 55mm Bohrung (DIN 472 - 55x2)
Part number 1.1.3 -- Hanffaser (talk) 08:13, 20 July 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
Die Breite dieser Platte muss eigentlich 194mm statt 195 sein.
Part number 1.1.5 -- Hanffaser (talk) 08:44, 20 July 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
Die Breite dieses Blechs muss 194mm sein.
Funktion der Biegung
- Verstärkung für 1.1.1 und 1.1.2
- Kollision mit Gruppe 1.2 beim Senken der Maschine zu vermeiden.
Anmerkung: Die Größe des Winkels sollte beim CAD-Konstruktion überprüft und festgelegt werden.
Part number 1.2.3 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:26, 20 July 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
- Nach dem Vergleich zwischen beiden vorhandenen Maschinen wurde festgestellt, dass dieses Teil wenigstens zwei Iterations hat. Die neueste ist die, die schmaler (155mm) am Gelenkpunkt mit Unterbaugruppe 1 ist. Anscheinend wurde damit einen großeren Abstand zu den Komponenten (z.B., Lagerbockschrauben) der Unterbaugruppe 1 erzielt.
- Änderungen zu den abhängigen Teilen [1.2.(6-7-8-10-12)] werden notwendig.
Part number 1.2.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:58, 20 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkungen
- Während der Abmaßprüfung wurde festgestellt, dass die eingekreiste Ecke nachgearbeitet wurde (geschleift). Eine Änderung wurde deswegen in den Zeichnungen eingetragen.
- Einige Tage später, bei einer Überprüfung der neueren Maschine wurde bemerkt, dass eine änliche Änderung wurde beim Konstruktion der zweiten Maschine eingeführt. Diese Änderung fugte eine extra Biegung zum Teil 1.2.8.
Folge
- Diese Änderung und ihre mögliche Iteration sollte bei der CAD-Konstruktion überprüft werden.
- Teile 1.2.(6-7-8-10A) sin von diese Änderung betroffen.
Part number 1.2.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 15:01, 20 July 2023 (CEST)
Siehe Anmerkungen Teil 1.2.3!
Part number 1.5 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:46, 21 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.5.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.5.2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.5.3 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2023 (CEST)
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Part number 1.5.5 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.5.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:02, 21 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.5.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:04, 21 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:06, 24 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:25, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:26, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkung:
- Der #Vertikalversatz (Part 2 oben↑) zwischen den Einzugstrommeln wird hauptsächlich bei der Bauweise dieser Gruppe festgelegt, indem die Rohrklemmen der Kurvenbahnen nach oben bzw. nach unten verschoben werden.
Part number 2.1.3 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:29, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.4 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:31, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.5 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:32, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:42, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:43, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:45, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:48, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.10 -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:25, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:41, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkung:
- Die Winkelabmaße (offset) dieses Teils und seine Gesamtlänge sind von der Säule (1.1.1 bis 1.1.4) und dem Arm (1.1.7 und 1.1.8) der Baugruppe 1.1 eingeschränkt.
- Zur Überprüfung der Abmaße sollte man dann die Gruppe 1.1 in Bezug nehmen.
Part number 2.1.2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:57, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.3 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.4 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:10, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.5 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:10, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkungen:
- Diese Röhre sind für beide Baugruppen (links und rechts) gleich.
- Die Flansche für die Lagerböcke an beiden Enden werden bündig zu den Rohrkante angeschweißt. Die Baugruppe behalten deswegen die Gesamtlänge der Röhre (660mm)
Part number 2.1.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:18, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkungen:
- Die Form und Umfangsmaße dieses Teil sind gleich wie bei 1.1.12
- Siehe Notiz hinsichtlich Erleichterungsbohrungen im Bild.
Part number 2.1.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:26, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Anmerkungen:
- Die Abmaße (Abstand und Durchmesser) der kleinen Bohrungen entsprechen die vom Lagerbock F210.
- Die passende Schrauben für die Befestigung dieser Lagerböcke sind M14. Der grund dafür muss irgendwelche Norm sein, die ich nicht kenne. Unter folgendem Link findet man ein beispiel davon: Lagerbock Abmaße
Part number 2.1.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:28, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.1.10 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:32, 26 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.11.2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:53, 27 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:54, 27 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:55, 27 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:48, 28 July 2023 (CEST)
Verstärkungsplatte für F310
Part number 1.11 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:50, 28 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.11.1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1.16 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2023 (CEST)
8 Stück M10x30
Achtung!
- Bei der Anwendung von zwei Schrauben / Gewindestifte auf Welle-Naben-Verbindungen muss den Winkelversatz zwischen den Schrauben kleiner als einen bestimmten Wert bleiben. Ist dieser Wert 90°? Grund dafür ist, dass bei der Auflockerung einer der Schrauben, muss die noch feste Schraube in der Lage sein, die Welle fest gegen die Nabe halten zu können.
- Feingewinde um bei Lockerung einer Schraube den Weg zu minimieren?
Part number 2.12 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:10, 31 July 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
- Diese Muttern gibt es nicht mehr.
- Dieses Design wurde irgendwann geändert. Die Zinken werden nicht am Querträger der Gabel mit Muttern befestigt, sondern angeschweißt.
- Der Querträger ist jetzt ein Vierkantrohr
Part number 2.11 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:12, 31 July 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
- Dieses Design wurde irgendwann geändert. Die Zinken werden nicht am Querträger der Gabel mit Muttern befestigt, sondern angeschweißt.
Part number 2.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
- Dieses Teil oder Teile dieser Baugruppe sind von dem #Vertikalversatz zwischen den Enizugstrommeln getroffen.
Anmerkungen:
- Anscheinend wurde dieses Design irgendwann geändert. Die zwei vorhandenen Maschinen verfügen über zwei Laufrollen in dieser Position (8), die an inneren und äußeren Seiten einer einzelnen Kurvenbahn laufen.
- Die Rollen verfügen über zwei Senkungen für Kugellager DIN 625-6200-2Z | d=10 D=30 B=9
- Die Passung für die Kugellager in den Rollen sollte F8 sein.
Part number 2.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:19, 31 July 2023 (CEST)
Wichtig!
Anscheinend wurde dieses Design irgendwann geändert. Die Länge und der Durchmesser der Stange (Position 9) sowie die Position in der sie das Querelement trifft müssen festgelegt werden.
Achtung!
- Wenigstens zwei Versionen dieses Teils sind in den Maschinen eingebaut.
Part number 2.10 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:22, 31 July 2023 (CEST)
Tiefe der Gleitbuchse 12mm (7 außen + 5 innen)
Achtung!
Die Tiefe (innen-außen Länge) dieser Zinkenbuchsen sollte untersucht werden, da ab und zu während des Einsatzs rutschen die Zinken aus den Gleitbuchsen im inneren Raum der Trommel heraus. Änderungen an diesen Buchsen beeinträchtigen die Zinkengabeln.
Part number 2.2 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:19, 1 August 2023 (CEST)
Achtung!
Dieses Teil gibt es nicht. Es gab möglicherweise mehrere Iterationen des Teils seit diese Zeichnung erstellt wurde.
Part number 2.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2023 (CEST)
Part number 2.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 10:58, 3 August 2023 (CEST)
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Part number 2.20 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:05, 8 August 2023 (CEST)
Part number 8.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 14:55, 8 August 2023 (CEST)
8 Stück M12x40
Part number 1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 04:35, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
Part number 1 -- Hanffaser (talk) 04:47, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
Test3
Part number 1.??? -- Hanffaser (talk) 09:15, 9 August 2023 (CEST)
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Part number 1 -- Djaeger (talk) 13:59, 19 October 2023 (CEST)
This is a test
Part number 3.18 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:19, 10 April 2024 (CEST)
Bei unserer Erntemaschine wurden die Sechskantschrauben (wie auf dem Bild zu sehen) nur mit einer Mutter + Unterlegscheibe und Federring befestigt.
Ist es notwendig zwei Muttern einzusetzen? Ein Grund dafür könnte sein, dass sich durch zwei Muttern die Schraube nicht so schnell lockert.
Andere Optionen wären Schraubensicherungskleber oder selbstsichernde Muttern.
--Inddigital (talk) 03:41, 11 April 2024 (CEST)
This component was updated to use spring washers
Part number 3.12 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2024 (CEST)
Bei unserer Erntemaschine ist nur eine normale Mutter verschraubt. Wahrscheinlich weil keine selbstsichernden Muttern vorhanden waren.
Inddigital (talk) 00:33, 11 April 2024 (CEST)
In this case, the lock nuts will be maintained in the design, according to some previous communications (we can change this if necessary)
Part number 4.8 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:15, 10 April 2024 (CEST)
Bei unserer Erntemaschine verschraubt mit normalen Sechskantmuttern + zwei Unterlegscheiben ohne Schraubensicherung.
Part number 9.7 -- Hanffaser (talk) 13:38, 10 April 2024 (CEST)
Bei unserer Erntemaschine verschraubt mit normalen Sechskantmuttern + Unterlegscheiben ohne Schraubensicherung.
Part number 3.1 -- Inddigital (talk) 03:00, 11 April 2024 (CEST)
Plans added for verification
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Part number 3.11 -- Inddigital (talk) 02:03, 15 June 2023 (CET)
Part number 3.11 -- Hanffaser (talk) 08:53, 11 April 2024 (CEST)
Bei unserer aktiven Erntemaschine sind Sägeblätter mit einem Durchmesser von ⌀540mm verbaut. Wahrscheinlich wurde der Durchmesser vergrößert, um besser den Hanf zu schneiden.
Auch sind an dieser Erntemaschine Sägeblätter mit z64 und nicht z144 verbaut. Der Grund ist mir (noch) unklar.
Die theoretisch maximale Größe der Sägeblätter kann circa ⌀555mm betragen, ohne dass das Sägeblatt an der Außenwand schleift.
Allerdings kann man beim untersten Sägeblatt nur maximal einen Durchmesser von ⌀540mm verwenden aufgrund des Platzmangels (siehe Bilder).
--Inddigital (talk) 21:26, 11 April 2024 (CEST)
According to what was indicated in the above notes, a nominal diameter of 500mm and Z144 would be indicated on the plans, so it is understood that the commented value of 540mm is a reference for the maximum diameter used.
Part number 3.2 -- Inddigital (talk) 22:21, 12 April 2024 (CEST)
The perforation pattern conflicts with what is indicated for component 3.3
-- Inddigital (talk) 01:06, 13 April 2024 (CEST)
Greetings, Based on the information received, the pdf and CAD files in the Technical Documentation section above on this page have been updated.
The parts and assemblies that are received will continue to be updated
Part number 4.6 -- Hanffaser (talk) 08:18, 23 April 2024 (CEST)
Bei unserer Erntemaschine M6x20.
Part number 4.10 -- Hanffaser (talk) 06:37, 24 April 2024 (CEST)
Selbstsichernde Mutter, verschraubt mit Unterlegscheibe + Federring
Part number 4.9 -- Hanffaser (talk) 12:42, 26 April 2024 (CEST)
Je zwei Schrauben sind am Schraubenkopf mit einem 4mm dicken Flachstahl verschweißt. Dadurch drehen sich die Schrauben beim ansetzen der Muttern nicht mit. Zum Festhalten der einzelnen Schrauben ist kein Platz.
Part number 4.2 -- Inddigital (talk) 07:23, 27 April 2024 (CEST)
What is the height of this component? What is its function, its sub items?, if it is something welded and How is the complete set assembled?
Part number 4.14 -- Inddigital (talk) 14:35, 29 April 2024 (CEST)
The catalog says that there are two of these screws, is that correct? and Where do they screw? The catalog does not show nuts for them.
Part number 5 -- Inddigital (talk) 09:38, 7 May 2024 (CEST)
Note intentionally removed, we already have the information that was requested in this
Part number 4.14 -- Hanffaser (talk) 11:23, 14 May 2024 (CEST)
There is only one screw in the center of the shaft from motor 4.3 screwed with a thread hole (pictures in review below).